Antiwar Group hangs Overpass sign urging Bush/Cheney impeachment
An antiwar activist group affiliated with MoveOn.org hung an overpass sign on northbound Route 23.
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This activist group calls themselves ImpeachThem.
MoveOn.org is affiliated with the Communist Party USA. See left side, blue box toward bottom for MoveOn.org in blue text.
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Reference
This activist group calls themselves ImpeachThem.
MoveOn.org is affiliated with the Communist Party USA. See left side, blue box toward bottom for MoveOn.org in blue text.
^^Here^^
Posted by Defend Our Freedoms at 9/12/2007 8:15 AM 
Categories: CPUSA, MoveOn
Tags: NEWYORKCITYCOMMUNITY.US
Categories: CPUSA, MoveOn
Tags: NEWYORKCITYCOMMUNITY.US
Hmmmm...wonder if they will be singing the same tune when we get hit again? Think they will want to impeach Obama for treason? After all, he has given aid and comfort to the enemy by closing Gitmo, suspending trials, giving terrorists information about our interrogation methods. And the man wasn't even born here. He was born in Kenya. He needs to be impeached. All they need to do is change the name to Obama.
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"After all, he has given aid and comfort to the enemy by closing Gitmo, suspending trials, giving terrorists information about our interrogation methods. And the man wasn't even born here. He was born in Kenya. He needs to be impeached. All they need to do is change the name to Obama."
First, Obama was born in Hawaii. I understand you wish it were not so, but there just is no credible evidence otherwise.
Second, our interrogation methods were pretty much an open secret. I'm sure the information in the released memos comes as a surprise to very few and probably not at all to our enemies. What Obama has done is to tell the truth about what we already knew.
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"First, Obama was born in Hawaii. I understand you wish it were not so, but there just is no credible evidence otherwise." (Bozo)
Now Bozo, you know good and well that BHO's mother, "Stanley" Ann, hopped on a plane in Hawaii, flew to Los Angeles, then flew to New York, then flew to the United Kingdom, then flew to the farthest point east in Africa. And she just happened to be in the last trimester of her pregnancy. Can't you see that!? (Me neither!) Also, she travelled with her newlywed husband BHO, Senior. In case you missed it it is all a matter of public record. The Department of State maintains those sort of transit records of citizens exiting and reentering the country. Let's not forget to mention the vaccination records too. We can probably find a listing of the innoculations that she received to get approval for her travels someplace within the CDC or somewhere.
Dude, we got you dead to rights!!!
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Derek
"The Department of State maintains those sort of transit records of citizens exiting and reentering the country."
As I understand it, privacy rules don't apply to people no longer living. Since both Obama's parents are dead the records you mention should be available - that is if the pre birth Kenya visit ever happened.
Speaking as a woman who has been pregnant and given birth, the Kenya birth story is implausible from beginning to end.
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"....., the Kenya birth story is implausible from beginning to end." (Bozo)
The term I was thinking was 'Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious'. (That's putting it delicately.)
They're quick to say that President Obama was born in Kenya, but, for some reason, they're not so quick to say what his mother's itinerary from Hawaii to Kenya (and back) was. Even when I have listed the most plausible (implausible) itinerary from Hawaii (while pregnant) and back to Hawaii (with a newborn), nary a 'birther' has spoken up to say 'Yes, that's how she got there and got back'. Not a one. Why is that!? Probably because even they don't believe it.
For BHO to be born in Kenya, his mother had to get to Kenya first. How'd she do it? (That's not a question to you Bozo.)
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Bozo and Derek,
I will share my thoughts on what my theory is for the itinerary.
Remember this photo?
That is not a picture of Barack Sr. with Barack Jr. Not only does it not look like Barack Jr., I'll show you why it physically can't be him in a moment.
But, there is no dispute that this picture is taken at the same time, right?
This is Stanley Ann pregnant, leaving for Kenya circa December 1960
The boy with them is most likely one of Obama Sr.'s extended family he sent for to help them move Stanley Ann to Kenya since it would be for an extended period. She was pregnant and the boy helped her move.
This is the Honolulu airport.
http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/aviation-photos/1960-1969/honolulu-international-airport/old-terminal/
Here's the full screen picture of the 1960 Honolulu airport. You can clearly see the signs hanging from the poles attached to the ticket counters. The sign in the Obama photo that says San Fransico is one of these signs.
The Hawaii State Government details the history of John Rodgers Airport up through 1947.
From the Hawaii.gov website:
There would have been no Christmas decorations and no Christmas pictures in the old terminal after 1961.
From the same website:
If both pictures are taken in the same terminal, the boy in the picture cannot be Barak as he would not have been 10 in the early 1960s.
New terminal circa 1974.
So, my itinerary is, Stanley Ann left for Kenya with Obama Sr. December 1960.
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"Here's the full screen picture of the 1960 Honolulu airport." (DOF)
The first thing that struck me about this photo is the windows. The windows above the Pan American sign. They seem to go from end to the other, and beyond. Circa 1960. The other photographs? No windows. Ergo different location, or, in this case, different terminals. Where are the windows in the pictures with the Obamas?
Here's something else to speculate upon. Barack Sr. and 'Stanley' didn't get married until April of 1961. The scenario that you are presenting is attempting to suggest that Obama Sr. and 'Stanley' left town soon after they 'knocked boots' in December. Let's review:
1. Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham conceive a child in December of 1960.
2. Barack Obama Sr. sends for an extended family member (from Kenya) to help 'Stanley' with her move from Hawaii to Kenya. (Of course 'Stanley' readily agreed to the move to Kenya even before she realized that she was pregnant!)
We can stop right there. "Extended family member". Who just happened to have a (Kenyan) passport!? Ready to travel half way around the world at a moments notice!? All vaccinations up to date!? And wearing a nice watch to boot! DOF, you slay me! Let me put it to you this way - you couldn't find anyone in Barack Obama Senior's extended family (circa 1960) in a dark room unless they smiled at you! They are that dark my friend. The kid in the picture (Barack Obama Jr.) you could spot in a black hole. And wearing a nice watch to boot!
Let's continue:
3. Obama Sr., Dunham, and an Obama extended family member leave the country in December 1960. (And not one official record exist for the now three people as you contend indicating an entry into the country - that would be for the Obama extended family member - and exit from the country - that would be for all three individuals - and a reentry into the country - that would pertain to at least 'Stanley' and her newborn. No records whatsoever. To cut to the chase, you have to get around that.)
4. 'Stanley' learns that she is pregnant while in Kenya sometime around the end of December 1960 and January 1961.
5. Barack Obama Sr. and 'Stanley' Ann Dunham get married in Kenya in April 1961. (She's four months pregnant at the time.)
6. 'Stanley' is denied permission to travel back to Hawaii in July 1961 because of the late stage of her pregnancy.
7. 'Stanley' gives birth August 4, 1961 in Kenya.
8. Within weeks of giving birth, 'Stanley' and her newborn travel from Kenya back to Hawaii.
Is that about right?
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The angle of the camera doesn't hit the windows in your window speculation.
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1. Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham conceive a child in December of 1960.
- November or December.
2. Barack Obama Sr. sends for an extended family member (from Kenya) to help 'Stanley' with her move from Hawaii to Kenya. (Of course 'Stanley' readily agreed to the move to Kenya even before she realized that she was pregnant!)
We can stop right there. "Extended family member". Who just happened to have a (Kenyan) passport!? Ready to travel half way around the world at a moments notice!? All vaccinations up to date!? And wearing a nice watch to boot! DOF, you slay me! Let me put it to you this way - you couldn't find anyone in Barack Obama Senior's extended family (circa 1960) in a dark room unless they smiled at you! They are that dark my friend. The kid in the picture (Barack Obama Jr.) you could spot in a black hole. And wearing a nice watch to boot!
- Are you saying he doesn't exist? He is right there in the photo. I didn't invent him. Or are you saying Obama Jr. was 10 years old in the early 60s?
Let's continue:
3. Obama Sr., Dunham, and an Obama extended family member leave the country in December 1960. (And not one official record exist for the now three people as you contend indicating an entry into the country - that would be for the Obama extended family member - and exit from the country - that would be for all three individuals - and a reentry into the country - that would pertain to at least 'Stanley' and her newborn. No records whatsoever. To cut to the chase, you have to get around that.)
- Are you saying they are not at the airport? How do you know there are no records? Did you look?
4. 'Stanley' learns that she is pregnant while in Kenya sometime around the end of December 1960 and January 1961.
- I say she already knew she was pregnant. She is wearing a maternity shirt.
5. Barack Obama Sr. and 'Stanley' Ann Dunham get married in Kenya in April 1961. (She's four months pregnant at the time.)
- There are no official records shown to date of their marriage. April is speculative. But still workable.
6. 'Stanley' is denied permission to travel back to Hawaii in July 1961 because of the late stage of her pregnancy.
- agreed
7. 'Stanley' gives birth August 4, 1961 in Kenya.
- agreed
8. Within weeks of giving birth, 'Stanley' and her newborn travel from Kenya back to Hawaii.
- wrong. First baby sighting was recorded in Washington State.
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"- I say she already knew she was pregnant. She is wearing a maternity shirt."
Its not a shirt, its a dress, probably of the loose fitting muumuu ilk.
One of the criticisms of 60s women's fashion was that it looked like maternity ware.
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I do remember the blousy style in the 60s. Stanley Ann was still pregnant in December 1960.
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"- I say she already knew she was pregnant. She is wearing a maternity shirt." (DOF)
DOF, when was the last time you saw a lady wearing maternity clothes when she was pregnant for less than a month? Two months? Three? (OK, maybe she was old fashioned about being pregnant or something. She was from Kansas....)
"- Are you saying he doesn't exist? He is right there in the photo. I didn't invent him. Or are you saying Obama Jr. was 10 years old in the early 60s?" (DOF)
No, of course you didn't invent him. That's Barack Obama. And that is a photograph of him and Barack Sr. at the new Honolulu terminal, circa 1971. The new Honolulu terminal with the stuff from the old Honolulu terminal. (What about those windows?)
But let's make a comparison.....
http://tinyurl.com/kmqclt
The kid in the picture (in the above link) looks like a younger version of the "extended family member" that you have displayed. Hmmm. Now this is getting complicated for me. How did they pull that one off!? OK. I'm stumped. Expain that one for me please.
"- Are you saying they are not at the airport? How do you know there are no records? Did you look?" (DOF)
It certainly looks like they are at the airport to me. The only thing in dispute between us is when. You say 1960. I say 1971.
Records. With all due respect, that's your dilemma. You have to figure out how 'Stanley' was able to get out of the country without having applied for a passport in 1960, and without having her travels out of and into the country recorded. Did I look? Yes. FOIA request. "No records on file". No 1960 passport application record. No 1960 transit record.
Now you tell me what I am suppose to assume?
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>>>>No, of course you didn't invent him. That's Barack Obama. And that is a photograph of him and Barack Sr. at the new Honolulu terminal, circa 1971. The new Honolulu terminal with the stuff from the old Honolulu terminal.
Sorry, this is the new terminal.
The pictures are from the old terminal. The windows you are looking for are higher then the camera view. They start higher than the gate signs.
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A new building does not automatically equate to new furnishings. You display a picture from 1974. Show me a picture of the same place in 1971.
(What happened to the windows?)
"The windows you are looking for are higher then the camera view. They start higher than the gate signs." (DOF)
That doesn't appear to be the case in the photograph of Obama Senior and the "extended family member". No windows. Not to mention....no records.
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There is a good possibility that this photo has windows in it anyway.
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"The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has passport applications from Oct. 1795-Mar. 1925; the U.S. Department of State has passport applications from Apr. 1925 to the present."
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/passport/
"No records on file."
C. Third-Party Requests
Third party requests must include one of the following:
1. Notarized consent from the owner of the passport records,
2. Proof of guardianship,
3. Death certificate (DING DING DING), or
4. Court order signed by a judge of competent jurisdiction requesting the Department of State to release passport records.
The only exception to this requirement is when the owner of the passport records was born 100 years or more ago.
Your third party request does not have to be notarized but should include the information described in the section above that covers requesting your own record and a $60.00 search fee for each individual for whom a record search is requested. Checks or money orders should be made payable to “Department of State".
Mailing Address
All requests for passport records issued from 1925 to present should be mailed to:
Department of State
Passport Services
Research and Liaison Section
Room 500
1111 19th Street, N.W.
Washington, DC 20524-1705 (202) 955-0447
That was $60 well spent.....I think.
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I'm sorry; but this is changing the topic.
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Changing the topic!? How so? You claim that 'Stanley' left the country in 1960. But there are no official records to support that contention. Just a photograph in dispute.
(I do prefer the debate about national priorities myself.)
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>>>>Changing the topic!? How so?
Absolutely. You and Bozo requested a birther's view on the itinerary. I stepped up and showed you what I had and backed it up.
Now, if you want to dispute what I put on the table, back up your dispute. Changing the topic to another set of conditions that have many other variables doesn't change what I put on the table.
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"You and Bozo requested a birther's view on the itinerary. I stepped up and showed you what I had and backed it up."
Again, to buy into the birther view one must suspend disbelief.
How logical is it to believe that Obama Sr's family would send a 10 year old boy half way around the world alone to help with a move?
Why would Obama Sr want to "move" his new wife to Kenya where he was already married and a disapproving father lived? Did he plan to give up his scholarship and stay in Kenya? Perhaps he planned to leave his new wife in Kenya with his disapproving family and number one wife & kids while he returned to the US to complete his education? Does that make sense to you?
The boy in the picture doesn't look anything like any member of Obama's Kenyan family that we've seen pictures of - not his skin color and not his features. He does, however, look like Obama as a child.
Stanley's clothing style in the photo is entirely consistent with what we were all wearing in the late 60's and early 70's. It is not maternity ware. I'm old enough to remember first hand.
The birther theory makes an interesting story, but it just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
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You are actually disputing in your response that:
- Hawaii never updated their airport
- Stanley Ann was never pregnant
- Obama is not the son of Obama Sr.
You do know that right?
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"You are actually disputing in your response that:
- Hawaii never updated their airport
- Stanley Ann was never pregnant
- Obama is not the son of Obama Sr.
You do know that right?"
In a word, nope!
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Bozo said, "Obama was born in Hawaii." I'm not going to mince words. If he was he'd show us his real birth certificate. You are either deaf, dumb and blind or you
Bozo are stupid. Whatever it is have it fixed.
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BJP
If you believe Obama was born in Kenya then I want you to know that we have several very nice bridges in our area and I have the exclusive right to sell them.
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What if the original birth certificate (that is being sought) is no longer available?
"The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo."
http://tinyurl.com/nbt58g
If that's the case, then we got him! BHO won't be able to produce the kind of validation that would be able and necessary to meet with our standards. (Of course, nothing would be able meet those standards.... in his case.)
Let's saddle up!!! Let's go get 'im!!!
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"Now, if you want to dispute what I put on the table, back up your dispute." (DOF)
http://tinyurl.com/kmqclt
Was this picture taken in 1952? It's a picture of the same kid, only younger by about eight years or so. Where did this picture come from?
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I know that picture.
Why wouldn't there be a resemblance? Obama Sr. is related to them. But does that make the airport terminal they are in open after 1962?
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"Why wouldn't there be a resemblance? Obama Sr. is related to them."
No where have I read that Obama had an older, mixed race family member in Kenya - let alone one who had traveled half way around the world at the age of ten by himself (a note worthy accomplishment) to help Obama's mother move.
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That child's ethnicity isn't obvious to me. But if you see resemblances of other races, fine. We have no idea who Obama Sr.'s family have married. Personally, I wouldn't allow my child to fly half way around the world. But I've seen people send their children distances to help family when they needed it.
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DOF, if you believe that you have an open and shut case with what you have offered here, then, by all means, pursue it.
Besides, what have you got to lose?
(Credibility)
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I wouldn't deem 2 pictures open and shut. But I do think it is pertinent enough to compel discovery.
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I'm sorry to say DOF, but that is wishful thinking. Two photographs based upon a flawed premise will not compel anything you desire except a conversation with me.
However, if you were to obtain some 1960 official U.S. government records pertaining to "Stanley" and her intent to travel abroad, I dare say my friend you would then be able to compel a great deal. What's the word.....JACKPOT!
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These pictures aren't all I have. I was just responding to the itinerary question. I want to check some of the material I have before I post it though. I don't know if you have been following the Orly debacle; but she has been caught forging. And if she forges emails, I don't know what else she is capable of forging. So I want to back check some of my material for legitimacy.
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"I don't know if you have been following the Orly debacle; but she has been caught forging." (DOF)
And that is the last thing that I would want for you. Exploring theories is all well and good, but do not cross the line into fabrication. Orly seems to have a penchant for that.
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Are there still people that belive this Mother of All Conspiracies?
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